Comments for Planet Pepys http://coopepys.wordpress.com the world in an ointment Sat, 26 Jul 2008 03:14:08 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=MU Comment on Pepys film club by Lewisham Round Up « Someday I Will Treat You Good http://coopepys.wordpress.com/2007/10/23/pepys-film-club/#comment-77 Lewisham Round Up « Someday I Will Treat You Good Sat, 27 Oct 2007 06:27:37 +0000 http://coopepys.wordpress.com/2007/10/23/pepys-film-club/#comment-77 [...] Pepys film club [...] [...] Pepys film club [...]

]]> Comment on reson8@coopepys by King Slug http://coopepys.wordpress.com/2007/10/23/reson8coopepys/#comment-76 King Slug Thu, 25 Oct 2007 21:06:22 +0000 http://coopepys.wordpress.com/2007/10/23/reson8coopepys/#comment-76 Well winter is Knockin at our doors and i would just like to say a big up to the people who collect our recycling, for over 1 year now they have been out in the sun rain and snow collecting our waste and turning it in to something productive,keep up the good work!!! Well winter is Knockin at our doors and i would just like to say a big up to the people who collect our recycling, for over 1 year now they have been out in the sun rain and snow collecting our waste and turning it in to something productive,keep up the good work!!!

]]> Comment on About by Simon Hayes http://coopepys.wordpress.com/about/#comment-49 Simon Hayes Tue, 21 Aug 2007 16:46:03 +0000 #comment-49 Hello I'm a journalist on The Wharf, the local paper in Canary Wharf, and I want to do an article on the estate following the showing of "The Tower" on BBC over the last few weeks. Having read some of the comments on the blog it seems the programme might have misrepresented the area somewhat so I would be interested in any comments you might like to make about the production and what life is really like on the estate. You can contact me on this email address: simon.hayes@wharf.co.uk or on 0207 510 6304. I look forward to hearing from anyone with a point of view. Regards Hello

I’m a journalist on The Wharf, the local paper in Canary Wharf, and I want to do an article on the estate following the showing of “The Tower” on BBC over the last few weeks.

Having read some of the comments on the blog it seems the programme might have misrepresented the area somewhat so I would be interested in any comments you might like to make about the production and what life is really like on the estate.

You can contact me on this email address: simon.hayes@wharf.co.uk or on 0207 510 6304.

I look forward to hearing from anyone with a point of view.

Regards

]]> Comment on BBC sent to the Tower by Jez http://coopepys.wordpress.com/2007/07/13/bbc-sent-to-the-tower/#comment-39 Jez Thu, 16 Aug 2007 14:00:55 +0000 http://coopepys.wordpress.com/2007/07/13/bbc-sent-to-the-tower/#comment-39 In response to Kelly's log: Kelly, we know that the BBC did not aid you or any of the participants financially or offer any reward in return. Sorry if I came across in that way. What I meant was that the exposure of the programme, though whilst you feel they stictched up the participants, has given Pepys exposure. I know alot of people from Pepys are not happy with the portrail of the estate in the programme, and I can understand why, but alot of people I know who have never been there, found that the participants amazing. I grew up on a council estate in Woolwich and have visited it for the first time in years... in a nut shell it delapitaded and I would not want to live there. I knew Pepys from the past and because of this programme, I have been a few times to visit... drank in the John Evelyn and walked round the estate. Whilst being there, I had seen no drug addicts, drunks or any misrule. I know it does happen... mainly at night but the people I know were not taken in by the programmes portrail of the residents... I think you would have to be naive to think that this was all Pepys was about. My brother learnt and developed Photography through a Pepys project and is now a professional Photographer. Alot of good comes from places like this. Just bcause your from a council estate, it does not mean you are a down and out. People on Pepys are real friendly and there is a good spirit present there inspite of its troubles. I hope the programme will give Pepys more council attention... unlike the three businesmen on the last programme who are looking to buy and make as much money as possible from social housing. I personally, dont think these people are good for the estate but again, thats just my opinion. The programme produced some really beautiful scenes of the participants, especially your wedding. I know the programme compared it to one of the residents in Aragon Tower, but it was very touching and I know from others I have spoken too, they agree in abundance. Congratulations on your day! I also know from people I have spoken to, that none of the participants have been judged by them, inspite of their dispositions (IE drink, drugs etc). Like most people, you all have interesting lives and we were afforded the privilege to have an insight. Most of us can see through what Producers try to do... fortunately. All the same, I intend to visit Pepys everytime I am down in London as I'm in the North. Thank you. In response to Kelly’s log: Kelly, we know that the BBC did not aid you or any of the participants financially or offer any reward in return. Sorry if I came across in that way. What I meant was that the exposure of the programme, though whilst you feel they stictched up the participants, has given Pepys exposure. I know alot of people from Pepys are not happy with the portrail of the estate in the programme, and I can understand why, but alot of people I know who have never been there, found that the participants amazing. I grew up on a council estate in Woolwich and have visited it for the first time in years… in a nut shell it delapitaded and I would not want to live there. I knew Pepys from the past and because of this programme, I have been a few times to visit… drank in the John Evelyn and walked round the estate. Whilst being there, I had seen no drug addicts, drunks or any misrule. I know it does happen… mainly at night but the people I know were not taken in by the programmes portrail of the residents… I think you would have to be naive to think that this was all Pepys was about. My brother learnt and developed Photography through a Pepys project and is now a professional Photographer. Alot of good comes from places like this. Just bcause your from a council estate, it does not mean you are a down and out. People on Pepys are real friendly and there is a good spirit present there inspite of its troubles. I hope the programme will give Pepys more council attention… unlike the three businesmen on the last programme who are looking to buy and make as much money as possible from social housing. I personally, dont think these people are good for the estate but again, thats just my opinion.

The programme produced some really beautiful scenes of the participants, especially your wedding. I know the programme compared it to one of the residents in Aragon Tower, but it was very touching and I know from others I have spoken too, they agree in abundance. Congratulations on your day!

I also know from people I have spoken to, that none of the participants have been judged by them, inspite of their dispositions (IE drink, drugs etc). Like most people, you all have interesting lives and we were afforded the privilege to have an insight. Most of us can see through what Producers try to do… fortunately.

All the same, I intend to visit Pepys everytime I am down in London as I’m in the North. Thank you.

]]> Comment on The Tower starts Monday 25th at 10:35pm on BBC1 by magz http://coopepys.wordpress.com/2007/06/24/the-tower-starts-tomorrow-night-at-1035pm-on-bbc1/#comment-35 magz Tue, 14 Aug 2007 15:38:18 +0000 http://coopepys.wordpress.com/2007/06/24/the-tower-starts-tomorrow-night-at-1035pm-on-bbc1/#comment-35 It was interesting to see Harry, Wee Wee and DAGE on the last episode. However no ordinary folks were shown who live nearby like myself, there are middle class and working class people and families who live far closer and in harmony than those addicts they highlighted. The show was really distorted. The only truth that came out was the injustice of Lewisham Council selling off social housing. The young people in this area have a real lack of places to go and things to do. It was a crime enough when locals a few years earlier asked for derilict land to be made into a park and yet more flats without gardens were built and so it goes. The Towers extra floors actually blocks out the light in the mornings on my windows. The Tower programme could have been far better researched and skimmed over many of real issues and ignored local people it was just a sensationalist soap opera in the end. Its also interesting there has been no actual BBC debate on this on online. It was interesting to see Harry, Wee Wee and DAGE on the last episode.

However no ordinary folks were shown who live nearby like myself, there are middle class and working class people and families who live far closer and in harmony than those addicts they highlighted.
The show was really distorted. The only truth that came out was the injustice of Lewisham Council selling off social housing.

The young people in this area have a real lack of places to go and things to do. It was a crime enough when locals a few years earlier asked for derilict land to be made into a park and yet more flats without gardens were built and so it goes.

The Towers extra floors actually blocks out the light in the mornings on my windows. The Tower programme could have been far better researched and skimmed over many of real issues and ignored local people it was just a sensationalist soap opera in the end. Its also interesting there has been no actual BBC debate on this on online.

]]> Comment on BBC sent to the Tower by p holton http://coopepys.wordpress.com/2007/07/13/bbc-sent-to-the-tower/#comment-33 p holton Mon, 13 Aug 2007 23:26:55 +0000 http://coopepys.wordpress.com/2007/07/13/bbc-sent-to-the-tower/#comment-33 I think the tower was very interesting but could not believe how the council left some people to live. Lez is the father of my daughter he brought her up from a young age on the Pepy's and in Arogan tower i can remeber all the good times he had when he used to stand with her at the window showing her all the boats going by.so it was not just the flat he had a lot off happy memories there.my granddaughter was also taken back there to live and she too was shown all the amazing sites from a young age. Also the scenes that were shown were all about the bad side what about the good side i wonder if the BBC will do a programe about that? Pepy's has always had a good community spirit this was not shown at all. I think the tower was very interesting but could not believe how the council left some people to live. Lez is the father of my daughter he brought her up from a young age on the Pepy’s and in Arogan tower i can remeber all the good times he had when he used to stand with her at the window showing her all the boats going by.so it was not just the flat he had a lot off happy memories there.my granddaughter was also taken back there to live and she too was shown all the amazing sites from a young age. Also the scenes that were shown were all about the bad side what about the good side i wonder if the BBC will do a programe about that? Pepy’s has always had a good community spirit this was not shown at all.

]]> Comment on did you hear the one about the about…? by Andi Freeman http://coopepys.wordpress.com/2007/03/08/hello-world/#comment-29 Andi Freeman Sun, 05 Aug 2007 11:05:10 +0000 #comment-29 More from Heidi… I emailed Heidi and asked her if there were any minutes or agenda to first meeting, this is her reply; ‘I did pull together a meeting of a number of the community groups on Pepys a few weeks ago but am slightly embarrassed to inform you that there was no agenda, nor were any minutes taken. I don’t normally conduct meetings in this manner but on this occasion, I was keen that everyone who attended felt they could speak openly and that we would not be constrained by items on a formal agenda. I had suggested the meeting take place because I was aware that a number of local organisations were facing some difficulties and I was keen to explore whether there was any way in which those organisations might be able to work together more productively. I did not personally manage invitations to the meeting and so to an extent relied upon Lewis Herlitz at PCF to spread the word (again, not an ideal situation but necessitated by the short timescale in putting the meeting together). Representatives from PCF, PRC, Co-op Pepys, the 2000 Community Action Centre and SEDEC (Somali Education and Development Centre) attended. I thought it was a productive meeting and it was agreed that I would facilitate a further meeting of 2 representatives from each of the groups to continue the dialogue that was started at the first meeting. I haven’t set this up yet but hope to arrange for the first week in April. I will then leave the group to continue its discussions as I am keen that this is led by the community and not a councillor.’ Heidi 23/3/2007 I don’t think there have been any more meetings that I have heard about. Has anyone heard anything more? More from Heidi…

I emailed Heidi and asked her if there were any minutes or agenda to first meeting, this is her reply;

‘I did pull together a meeting of a number of the community groups on Pepys a few weeks ago but am slightly embarrassed to inform you that there was no agenda, nor were any minutes taken. I don’t normally conduct meetings in this manner but on this occasion, I was keen that everyone who attended felt they could speak openly and that we would not be constrained by items on a formal agenda. I had suggested the meeting take place because I was aware that a number of local organisations were facing some difficulties and I was keen to explore whether there was any way in which those organisations might be able to work together more productively. I did not personally manage invitations to the meeting and so to an extent relied upon Lewis Herlitz at PCF to spread the word (again, not an ideal situation but necessitated by the short timescale in putting the meeting together). Representatives from PCF, PRC, Co-op Pepys, the 2000 Community Action Centre and SEDEC (Somali Education and Development Centre) attended. I thought it was a productive meeting and it was agreed that I would facilitate a further meeting of 2 representatives from each of the groups to continue the dialogue that was started at the first meeting. I haven’t set this up yet but hope to arrange for the first week in April. I will then leave the group to continue its discussions as I am keen that this is led by the community and not a councillor.’

Heidi

23/3/2007

I don’t think there have been any more meetings that I have heard about. Has anyone heard anything more?

]]> Comment on BBC sent to the Tower by tinhanha http://coopepys.wordpress.com/2007/07/13/bbc-sent-to-the-tower/#comment-24 tinhanha Thu, 02 Aug 2007 22:51:54 +0000 http://coopepys.wordpress.com/2007/07/13/bbc-sent-to-the-tower/#comment-24 I'm very sorry if I didn't explain myself in the right way that you could understand. Maybe is because I am still a poor person with a poor English. When I said that "I had a lot of expectancy about this production and what I’ve seen is a bad done big brother and a good marketing of “the tower” I mean that I don't agree with the way that they filmed the series (maybe my English don't let me know very well), I confess that the words "big brother" were the best ones to explain the program. Now I can try to explain myself more clearly, about the big brother, all of us have problems, also Pepys Estate have serious social problems. We have problems with our organizations, we have there several organizations like as Pepys Community Forum, 2000 Community Action Centre, Pepys Resource Centre, Riverside Youth Club, Resourceful Parents (new) ... and what kind of programs to the community have we seen there? Just a little bit. The community (children, youth and families) don’t have a lot of things to do it, the council has took out our public spaces and made business with it’s. Also we, in ourselves, have problems everyone has. However, why did the series only had a focus in terrible things and problems that affected those people? Which is the purpose they expose personal problems of a little girl with her parents for everyone in the country see it? Also why do they expose their lives like that? Sorry about he bad big brother but what I've seen are bad things that happened with the poor people and such a good things happening with the riches. Other thing that we can see in the program is the big gap between the rich people and the poor people. It is all about the money, nothing about the social. (Money is something that the humanity should never has invented, the money can do that we lose the sense of HUMANITY). About the marketing of the tower maybe I’m wrong but is only what the money can buy, well I have money to buy my place above the river. At the end I had a little expectancy that the program show our estate how it is, with problems, but also with action, with life, I was expecting a kind of revolution, "action to bring about change", because also in this estate BBC has people that have done a lot to help the community, to make better our space, to change our lives. The positive thing that I saw was the denunciation about the way that Lewisham Council has treated who lives here, I agree that the borough wants to do a clearance here: put the poor people away to give the space for the "new generation". But once more our space is not dead space that they've showed us. Did you come on Deptford High Street on Saturdays? Did you come in the Coopepys on Mondays? Did you come in the Toy Library at Fridays? Do you know what community is? Do you know what about life is? Come and see it. I’m very sorry if I didn’t explain myself in the right way that you could understand. Maybe is because I am still a poor person with a poor English. When I said that “I had a lot of expectancy about this production and what I’ve seen is a bad done big brother and a good marketing of “the tower” I mean that I don’t agree with the way that they filmed the series (maybe my English don’t let me know very well), I confess that the words “big brother” were the best ones to explain the program. Now I can try to explain myself more clearly, about the big brother, all of us have problems, also Pepys Estate have serious social problems. We have problems with our organizations, we have there several organizations like as Pepys Community Forum, 2000 Community Action Centre, Pepys Resource Centre, Riverside Youth Club, Resourceful Parents (new) … and what kind of programs to the community have we seen there?
Just a little bit. The community (children, youth and families) don’t have a lot of things to do it, the council has took out our public spaces and made business with it’s. Also we, in ourselves, have problems everyone has. However, why did the series only had a focus in terrible things and problems that affected those people? Which is the purpose they expose personal problems of a little girl with her parents for everyone in the country see it? Also why do they expose their lives like that? Sorry about he bad big brother but what I’ve seen are bad things that happened with the poor people and such a good things happening with the riches. Other thing that we can see in the program is the big gap between the rich people and the poor people. It is all about the money, nothing about the social. (Money is something that the humanity should never has invented, the money can do that we lose the sense of HUMANITY).
About the marketing of the tower maybe I’m wrong but is only what the money can buy, well I have money to buy my place above the river.
At the end I had a little expectancy that the program show our estate how it is, with problems, but also with action, with life, I was expecting a kind of revolution, “action to bring about change”, because also in this estate BBC has people that have done a lot to help the community, to make better our space, to change our lives.
The positive thing that I saw was the denunciation about the way that Lewisham Council has treated who lives here, I agree that the borough wants to do a clearance here: put the poor people away to give the space for the “new generation”.
But once more our space is not dead space that they’ve showed us. Did you come on Deptford High Street on Saturdays? Did you come in the Coopepys on Mondays? Did you come in the Toy Library at Fridays? Do you know what community is? Do you know what about life is? Come and see it.

]]> Comment on The Tower starts Monday 25th at 10:35pm on BBC1 by caroline Fox http://coopepys.wordpress.com/2007/06/24/the-tower-starts-tomorrow-night-at-1035pm-on-bbc1/#comment-23 caroline Fox Wed, 01 Aug 2007 12:09:48 +0000 http://coopepys.wordpress.com/2007/06/24/the-tower-starts-tomorrow-night-at-1035pm-on-bbc1/#comment-23 in reply to mojo I live on the Pepys and it is not CRAP what are you doing to those you no. The Tower only showed the bad things for sensational programme ratings and they got it. Real people on the estate try to live a good life and dont need shit like this to be put about. You should be ashamed of your self in reply to mojo I live on the Pepys and it is not CRAP what are you doing to those you no. The Tower only showed the bad things for sensational programme ratings and they got it. Real people on the estate try to live a good life and dont need shit like this to be put about. You should be ashamed of your self

]]> Comment on BBC sent to the Tower by caroline Fox http://coopepys.wordpress.com/2007/07/13/bbc-sent-to-the-tower/#comment-22 caroline Fox Wed, 01 Aug 2007 11:56:11 +0000 http://coopepys.wordpress.com/2007/07/13/bbc-sent-to-the-tower/#comment-22 I have been watching THE TOWER since it started and I have never seen such rubbish in all my life. I have lived on Pepys for 10 yrs and been around it for the last 25yrs and that isn't the estate I know. Sure we have probs like every where else but for the jumped up POSHIES to say this is a dodgy place and a dodgy area was really to much to take. The family from Bath should go back to their SIX bedroom home if they want a cushy life. Most of the off estate scenes were still filmed local ie: Silwood estate I should know I lived there for 15yrs and the road of arches where leol sat was zampa rd. People of Pepys unite and tell the BBC what they think and demand to know why they have portrayed us in such a disgraceful way. Anything good that was shown was a blink and you miss it. Pepys will now be known as the worst estate in Deptford with crime happening daily and we're all ment to be drunks druggies and full of dysfuntional families. WE ARE NOT we are just the same as everywhere. I have been watching THE TOWER since it started and I have never seen such rubbish in all my life. I have lived on Pepys for 10 yrs and been around it for the last 25yrs and that isn’t the estate I know. Sure we have probs like every where else but for the jumped up POSHIES to say this is a dodgy place and a dodgy area was really to much to take. The family from Bath should go back to their SIX bedroom home if they want a cushy life. Most of the off estate scenes were still filmed local ie: Silwood estate I should know I lived there for 15yrs and the road of arches where leol sat was zampa rd. People of Pepys unite and tell the BBC what they think and demand to know why they have portrayed us in such a disgraceful way. Anything good that was shown was a blink and you miss it. Pepys will now be known as the worst estate in Deptford with crime happening daily and we’re all ment to be drunks druggies and full of dysfuntional families. WE ARE NOT we are just the same as everywhere.

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